Daniel mentions the “transgression of abomination” and Paul mentions “where no law, there no transgression”; So it reasons the law is “the abomination of desolation” spoken of by Daniel, who had “night visions” from reading a book, the five books of Moses called the Law.
Standing where it ought not? Psalmist David mentions the LORD said to my Lord: Sit at my right hand in Psalms 110:1. Luke mentioned Stephen saw Jesus “standing” right in Acts 7:55; So this would be a change of the law with a change of priesthood mentioned in Hebrews 7:12, which is still law, not grace, and standing, not seated as Christ: the end of the law is seated right above the law in Colossians 3:1-3.
So it reasons law is the abomination of desolation standing where it not, in the holy place, the place of grace.
What are your thoughts on such things are an “allegory” and a “mystery’ to solve by seek and find?
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Non sequitur… Your “so it reasons…” statements DO NOT FOLLOW. There is NO REASON to assume your conclusions on the bases you propose… Your reasoning seems to be invalid.
Daniel’s “terrible thing which causes desolation” CAME TO PASS about 168 B.C., (between Malachi and the birth of Jesus) when Antiochus Epiphanes 4 desecrated the temple.
The abomination of desolation is not an allegory. The abomination of desolation is literal.
The abomination of desolation will be in the future, when antichrist goes into the rebuilt temple and declares himself god
Read 2 Thessalonians 2:4: “Who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sits in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God” It is antichrist that the verse is speaking about.
Read Daniel, chapter 8, and understand with your heart, these have already happened.
allah akbar
Louis is closer to the truth than anyone, although the actual abomination of desolation occurred when Antiochus had a pig slaughtered in the holy of holies
2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the Scripture is of any private interpretation.
How is this an “allegory”?
You are a religion unto yourself. Your religion is false. You are either full of pride or intending to be obnoxious!
You certainly aren’t trying to understand the Bible.
The Bible is not a pull-apart toy that lets you stick random verses together regardless of context. Just because you saw the word “transgression” in two different places in your particular translation does not mean there is a connection, or even that they are the same word in the original languages.
The Law of Torah cannot be an “abomination” if it is what God gave the Jews in the first place, which is a pretty basic assumption in the Bible. Its interpretation could become “abominable” or it could conceivably be superceded by a newer revelation, but turning it into the antithesis of itself is nonsensical. It remains the Law of Moses whether you observe it or not.
The references you sited already have literal and prophetic meanings assigned to them. Conventional Christian exegesis seems to have managed well enough all these years. I’d stick with that rather than trusting in wild leaps of “logic”.
The abomination is you calling the Torah which God gave, an abomination. I would not want to be in your shoes. Go ahead and continue to curse the Jews and the Torah, and you will have your reward as promised to Abraham that those who curse the Jews (and that includes the Torah) will be cursed in return. It’s your choice to make, laid before you now.
You bring up an interesting point. The law of Moses is designed to teach the people to recognize sin so that they could recognize God and follow his ways. Christ came to fulfill that law because the law also taught about him and prophecied his coming. As a christian one states that he or she recognizes God and followes after Him; so there is no need for the law at that point. The “holy place” is the heart. If the heart is clouded with laws and statutes than the vision of Christ is lost.
what does the Abomination of Desolation mean ?
the attempted merger of the church and state with the state attempting to vanquish the true religion ?
i have always wondered about this for decades
this is the best explanation i have seen that seems to make the most sense to me
http://bibleprophecy.net/abom.htm
this is the mid-part of the article – see the link to read the beginning and the end ->
The Bible calls Judas “the son of perdition.” (John 17:12 KJV) This expression is used in only one other passage in Scripture, Second Thessalonians 2:3. There it applies to Antichrist. Do you understand? Judas is a type of Antichrist.
Judas professes to follow Christ. He kisses Jesus, then turns around and sells him for 30 pieces. That is Antichrist. But please note that Judas still thought he was a “Christian” when he did this. He thought that Jesus would work a miracle when the soldiers came for him. He thought the Messiah would cast off the Roman yoke through a major display of miracle power and then He would be crowned king. And thus in his own odd way Judas thought he was helping the self-effacing Jesus obtain what was rightfully His. In Judas we see personified the dangers of following our own thinking, our own plans, while we are yet claiming to be followers of Christ. We call Judas a betrayer, but that is not how he viewed himself. Apart from the illumination of the Holy Spirit we are all betrayers.
Thus the antichrist prefigured by Judas is not a Hitler. He does not fit the scenario of most modern evangelical interpretations of antichrist. Judas was a professing member of the church, and he was respected by the other disciples. He was entrusted with the treasury and he was the scholar of the group. His pedigree was certainly greater than a mere fisherman like Peter. He had obvious connections with the chief priests, Jerusalem’s movers and shakers.
He told these big-shot priests that he could bring them Jesus. The antichrist to come will surely promise the same. He will tell the world’s religious leaders that he will bring them Christ. He will not, as so many evangelical scenarios claim, be against Christians and the Christian church. He will be a professing member. These religious leaders, in the final one-world government, will believe they have Christ, just as Caiphas and Annas and Pilate thought they had Him. They think they are in control. They think that they can manipulate the Christ to fit their politics and theology. They are not against Him (so they think) just very poor representatives of Him, to the point of being misrepresentatives.
But the elect will know. They are in Judea, the true Judea, the promised land of faith in the living God. They will know when they see this abomination, this Christless christ, that it is time to flee to the mountains.
When Judas kissed Christ, he was a type of the abomination. He was standing in the holy place, the presence of Jesus, where he ought not to have been. It was immediately after the appearance of this abomination that terrible persecution came to Christ’s body. Scourged, spat upon, cut, tortured, crucified. Surely, had not Christ been our Savior undergoing these abuses on our behalf, it would have been good for him to flee to the mountains.
The abomination of desolation is the anti-christ standing where it ought not, in Jerusalem
claiming that he is god